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Exit Poll Update

The exit poll results, both national and state, cited in my previous post have now been substantially revised and do not look particularly favorable to Kerry. While some of the patterns discussed previously remain, others have changed fairly dramatically. Much more discussion to follow, of course, but way too tired to pursue it now.

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Well, based on all the comments and analysis I read that said Bush would not win because his highest approval ratings were his ceiling in the popular vote, and all the polls were rated unfairly to rvs instead of lvs, I took two weeks off work to focus on this election. I read the blogs alot, did gotv efforts, donated all the spare cash I had to get Kerry elected, because based on all the analysis I read here and on MYDD, it seemed improbable Bush would win. All the major media polls were biased, they were oversampling repubs, blah, blah blah.
Turns out they were right. We're living in a right-wing, Christian conservative nation and I don't see anyway for the democratic party to compete nationally. Look at all the red on that map. It's heartbreaking. The dems and all the hopefuls like yourself and your contributors need to wake up and admit -- we are on the outside looking in.

This is a huge defeat for us. Even if Kerry pulled Ohio he would be a minority president. We can't say our message didn't get out. The resources were there. The situation in the Senate and the House is very bad. I would like to know what kind of message we have that can be understood and bought by a majority of citizens, short of issuing a machine gun to every household, putting a Baptist preacher in every science room, and burning gays at the stake. (In retrospect it clearly was a stroke of Republican genius to have the anti-gay measures on the ballots. But we have to wonder why so many people fell for it.)

Speaking for myself, I am familiar with the literature on "critical realignments" and all I can say is we are definitely in a specific sort of electoral era. Reagan was the start and it jelled in 1994. This could easily last till 2014-2020 if past "electoral systems" hold. I'm running out of decades in my personal arsenal to be around for this to turn around. And there are a lot of lurking calamities: on the dollar, in the environment, in the Middle East, that are going to come crashing down in the next four years which the re-elected national leadership won't be able to cope with and which won't be reversible by Dems with a simple election victory, even if it is a sweep.

My predictions for the next four years: A severe financial crisis, probably associated with a decline in the dollar; the draft; a national sales tax; privatization of social security; reversal of R v Wade; and some kind of very bad news on the environmental front.

I do think that we should be thinking along the lines I have posted here before, to wit, that we should at a minimum be signing up for contributions of $10 to $20 a month to the Democratic party to help it get on its feet for a permanent mobilization.

The other thing I think we need to look at is whether in certain areas, like CA, MA, NY, maybe CT, we can do to the Republicans something analogous to what was done to the Dems in TX. Obviously there won't be a redistricting opportunity. But in the current juncture having "Red" members of Congress in blue states is a luxury we can ill afford, so strategies need to be developed that chisel away at the very concept of a "safe seat."

The bright side: we showed we can raise money en masse and mount a vigorous campaign. That's about it.

I think the comment from onprotractedwarfare sums up the terrible situtation quite well. I can't help wondering whether after the coming disasters a modern equivalent of FDR will emerge to help put at least some of the pieces back together. I also can't help reflecting that FDR didn't have to contend with CNN, Fox, and the like.

So, let me understand this.

The exit polls are correct almost everywhere to within 0.1%. In Florida and Ohio, the two states where electronic voting critics have been complaining that there is no paper trail, the margin of error is 4%.

Yet, you think it's the polls that are fault, not the electronic voting machinery. I'm not claiming there was deliberate fraud, although I am open to the possibility, just that it seems like closer scrutiny is warranted.

For example, there is anecdotal evidence that the computer interface was designed such that people whose hand grazed the edge of the screen caused the choice to be flipped. This may easily account for a few percent of the voters choices going awry.

Ok I agree with you but what do we do to get inside again that doesn´t sell out everything we believe in?

Satisfying as it might be to do the Reps what DeLay did to the Dems, it would be the worst possible course of action--not only because it wouldn't work (face it: Dems aren't sufficiently bloody-minded) but because it would do great damage to the Republic.

The reasoning is mind boggling. Here's how it goes: exit polls show Kerry is ahead in certain states. Final results show Bush is ahead. Therefore, voting machines must be broken or there's a conspiracy.

Could it be true the exit polls were *biased*? Nothing evil or premeditated even... just biased, possibly leading, surveys?

Wouldn't that be a shock.

Let's face it....The R's will do anything to hold power. The only thing for Dems to do is cheat better than them or to outsmart them in their cheating game. Maybe we need to run candidates for SOS in southern states as Republicans and after the win, lead as a Democrat. I feel the R's care more about their party being in power than they care about their country being a democracy. Ironically, their voting habbits insure neither their political freedom or a country based on freedom.

What about voting purges? Greg Palast, author of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," writes on his website www.gregpalast.com that voting purges, some of which could be illegal, in the states of New Mexico and Ohio could have swung the vote to Bush and not to Kerry. The problem existed in Florida in 2000 and likely did in 2004.