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New Polls in Iowa, Michigan, Ohio and Oregon

Bush leads Kerry 48-43 percent among Iowa RV's, with 3 percent for Nader and 6 percent for neither in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted Sept. 16-19, 2004.

Kerry leads Bush 48-44, with 2 perent for Nader and 6 percent unsure in a poll of Michigan LV's by EPIC/MRA conducted Sept. 15-19, 2004.

Bush leads Kerry 54-43 percent among Ohio LV's, with 2 percent for Nader and 1 percent unsure, according to the Ohio Poll conducted Sept. 12-18 by the Institute for Policy Research of the University of Cincinnati.

Kerry leads Bush 51-44 among Oregon LV's, with 5 percent unsure in a poll by Research 2000 for The Portland Tribune, et al. conducted Sept. 13-16.

Comments

The state polls are more evidence that Kerry is in deeper trouble than Ruy thinks.

1. Ohio is basically a swing state- so if the race is even nationally Bush should be leading by no more than 4 or 5 points. Instead Bush leads by 11 - suggesting a 6-8 pt lead for Bush.

2. Iowa should be a Democratic state. Bush's 5 point lead suggests that he has a big lead nationally.

On the other hand, Kerry's leads in Michigan and Oregon suggest that this is not as bad for Dems as 1984- but certainly it is comparable to 1988, where Dukakis carried a decent number of states but still not enough to make it close nationally.

Bottom line: Bush doesn't have the double digit lead that some national polls suggest- but it isn't dead even either. If it was, Kerry would be leading in Iowa, and Bush's lead in Ohio would be much smaller.

Is there any detail available on the Ohio poll? Not good news there. Also, I just saw a report of a poll in Colorado showing a 12% Bush lead, from Ciruli Associates. That's very different from everything else. ARG, Zogby, Rasmussen, and the Republican POS group all have had the race at only a 1% difference.

I agree that "Shrub" probably is leading, but there's no reason for Democrats to despair. For example, Florida and Pennsylvania recently swung back (barely) to Kerry although the Rasmussen polls admittedly did not include Nader.
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It is fascinating to compare the four vote projection sites out there: Electoral Vote Projection Map &
Race2004.net (run by Dems) and FederalReview.com & ElectionProjection.com (both right-leaning). I would love to see a retrospective "fact check" analysis after Nov.3 to find out which methodology proved most accurate in the end. To me, the probabilistic methods favored by FederalReview.com & ElectionProjection.com seem unnecessarily complicated; I suspect Race2004.net gets it right by simply putting states in a "tossup" column if the difference is small. Nobody really knows how PA and FL will work out, for now. It would be premature for "Shrub" supporters to start gloating now, just as it was foolish of Kerry supporters to think last month's electoral vote tally of ~300 EVs was "safe". A lot will depend on some very close state races.


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Just a heads up. The ARG list of all 50 states is now up. I've not looked at it yet.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Looking over the ARG results...first, they note a 47-46 Bush lead, across the country. They see Bush up 133-132 in states outside the margin of error. They see Kerry up 270-253 in states with any lead. Um, I keep saying this, but this race is gonna be close.

Here are the 27 states with single digit differences, starting with the most pro-Bush, ending with the most pro-Kerry:
Mississippi Bush +9
Louisiana Bush +8
Tennessee Bush +7
Arizona Bush +6
Missouri Bush +6
Virginia Bush +6
North Carolina Bush +5
Arkansas Bush +3
Iowa Bush +2
Nevada Bush +2
Ohio Bush +2
New Hampshire Bush +2
Colorado Bush +1
West Virginia tie
Wisconsin tie
Florida Kerry +1
Pennsylvania Kerry +1
Minnesota Kerry +2
Oregon Kerry +2
Maine Kerry +4
New Mexico Kerry +5
Illinois Kerry +6
Washington Kerry +7
New Jersey Kerry +8
Michigan Kerry +8
Delaware Kerry +9
Maryland Kerry +9

If you do the cut at states being within 3% one way or the other, that includes (12):

Bush 2000 states--Arkansas, Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Florida, West Virginia

Gore 2000 states--Iowa, Minnesota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin

For a 4-6% difference (7):

Bush 2000 states--North Carolina, Arizona, Virginia, Missouri

Gore 2000 states--Maine (and that danged distict...), New Mexico, Illinois

For a 7-9% difference (8):
Bush 2000 states--Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi

Gore 2000 states--Washington, Michigan, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland

I'd think those first dozen states are the main battleground these days, with Maine and New Mexico added given recent polls by other organizations. That yields 7 Bush 2000 states and 7 Gore 2000 states.

But keep an eye on some of those other states to see if there is a discernible shift in the near future.

Id submitted one post on the ARG results. Assuming that goes through, heres a second.

ARG gives the breakdown of support separately by party. It also gives the number registered from each party. Id be interested in any feedback on whether party registration for the poll tracks for what we know more officially.

How do the two fare among independents? Here are the 14 close states I described above, in order of support among independents, starting with the state most favorably to Bush:

Arkansas Bush +20
Iowa Bush +1
New Mexico Kerry +1
Wisconsin Kerry +1
Colorado Kerry +2
Florida Kerry +2
Ohio Kerry +3
West Virginia Kerry +3
Pennsylvania Kerry +4
Minnesota Kerry +5
Nevada Kerry +6
Oregon Kerry +6
New Hampshire Kerry +8
Maine Kerry +9

These are small samples of small samples, but its nice to see Kerry with the advantage in independents in so many different states. Arkansas is a real outlier here. More shortly on them.

How about support from ones own party? Here are the same states, ordered by advantage in party support. Thus, for instance, Bush has the vote of 90% of West Virginia Republicans, Kerry only 71% of WV Democrats, so I list that as Bush +19:

West Virginia Bush +19
Arkansas Bush +10
New Mexico Bush +6
Maine Bush +4
Minnesota Bush +4
Ohio Bush +4
Pennsylvania Bush +4
Wisconsin Bush +4
Florida Bush +3
Iowa Bush +3
Nevada Bush +2
Oregon tie
New Hampshire Kerry +1
Colorado Kerry +4

Is there a way for Kerry to make progress on that disadvantage among party members (convince some of his party; pry away some Bush Republicans?) while maintaining that lead in independents?

Note that in Arkansas, only 79% of Democrats support Kerry, to 89% of Republicans supporting Bush. And 55% of independents support Bush to only 35% for Kerry. So why is it close? 42% of the sample was Democratic, only 29% Republican. Is that real? Dunno. But Survey USA in August had a sample that was 38% Democratic, 26% Republican, so perhaps that really is reflective of the state. Maybe some who call themselves Democratic or independent in Arkansas would be Republicans in other states?

The ARG polls are tremendous news for Kerry (how could polls be so different? Something wierd is going on this year). Here's the reason they are even better than they look. For anybody who has ever done any political work in Iowa you know that this state is almost completely dependent on how you are organized on the ground - maybe more than any other state in the country. A month ago I saw an interview with somebody from the Des Moisnes register - who really knows this stuff - who said he has never seen the type of organization he's seeing with Kerry (not the fake stuff there was with Dean, but real professional). So my take is if Kerry is with MOE he is probably ahead. You also have to believe that New Hampshire swings back to Kerry. Again, if you know anything about New England culture you know the whole "neighbor" thing runs deeper than political affiliation. It will be astounding if New Hampshire doesn't go for Kerry in the end no matter what the polls.

Also, I live in Ohio and the organization here for Kerry is the best I have seen in my lifetime. In the Columbus area you see more K/E bumper stickers and lawn signs than B/C. Also many neighborhoods have organized so well they have their own unique signs like Upper Arlington for Kerry. I have never seen that before. I you have lived in Columbus for the last decade you would know how amazing this is.

Good state polls lately for Kerry-Edwards, but can anyone explain the widening national gap in favor of Bush on Rasmussen's daily poll? The last four days show Bush moving up from 47.8% to 48.8% while Kerry's numbers drop from 46.1% to 44.8%. Granted, small changes, but to me a worrisome trend. T.J.

I agree with Wilbur about Ohio. There's NO WAY that Bush is ahead by 11%. The Ohio Poll is notoriously pro-GOP. In 2000 Bush only won by 50-49% (combined Gore-Nader) and since then the Ohio economy has declined more than almost any other state.

In live near Dayton and the normally GOP suburbs in my area have as many Kerry signs as Bush ones. I've lived in the same neighborhood for over four decades, and I've NEVER seen so many Democratic signs. Frankly, the poll showing Bush up by 2% is probably optimistic for Bush!

Unless something drastic occurs, I think Kerry will win Ohio!

in other news, race2004.net reports a poll showing that Colorado initiative might just pass.

I still don't like it, regardless, and I'd think that Colorado voters wouldn't want it. It should make candidates less interested in working on Colorado.

It's also not clear what the influence would be on this year's vote. If it passes and only, say, New Hampshire and Colorado go from Bush 2000 to Kerry, then if Kerry loses Colorado, he's still a vote short; if he wins, it's a tie. In contrast, if it doesn't pass, New Hampshire and Colorado (if they're the only shifts) give Kerry the win.

On the other hand, if Kerry holds the Gore states and takes New Hampshire and Nevada, the Colorado states that would come in a loss would put him over the top.

Weird.

Keep watching this race. It's gonna be interesting all the way.

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I'd attribute this to chance variation. There's not much going on there, and a 4% Bush lead is in keeping with a good number of polls.

I'd welcome the passage of the Colorado initiative this year, as it would probably ensure Kerry at least a couple of electoral votes in the state (the Denver and Boulder-based areas.) Although it would also ensure Bush a couple (Colorado Springs and Eastern CO).

But I'm reluctant, on the other hand, to embrace this system for the whole nation, especially if it were keyed to congressional districts (as in Maine and Nebraska). Gerrymandering of districts has had generally negative effects on congressional elections; we don't need it determining the presidency as well.